This is Venkit. I do not know if you observed that in 443 as also this one, the cover illustrations were by a different person. It is not the regular Govind (who also used to do the complete art work for Bahadur stories.). It is by Shehab. Though I was a great fan of Govind's artwork, Shehab brought about a touch of comedy in his artwork, I thought.
Venkit,basically Shehab was the comic-caricature artist,his famous creations were Chhotu-Lambu (Parag,Diamond Comics,Manglu Madarai-Bandar Bihari (Madhumuskan),Chaman Charlie.etc.Hence a comic look was bound to be inflected in his cover designs,even many times his cover Phantom imparted a funny comic look.
Venkit: Welcome! Most probably first Indrajal cover by Shehab was #353. Honestly saying, in childhood I noted only that some covers were different. Noted that there were some signatures on pages especially Shehab’s as his name was repeated in many comics. In that period I was in such a love with Phantom; like Arjun saw only Phantom & Indrajal comics (comics’ stories only) rest information was secondary things for me. Still I go through all Phantom new strips which many Phantom fans don’t like.
Covers of Indrajal comics played very important role in its popularity. Now I see & feel differences clearly.
Krishna ji: Welcome! Really you are true. I never thought before this point of view. Earlier Mandrake stories were more attracting for me, only today I got it, why. Thanks :)
Comic World: Thanks for information. I remember Chhotu-Lambu & Manglu Madarai-Bandar Bihari. But not remember about Chaman Charlie. Can you post Chaman Charlie comics?
Krishna - you are right. If you look at the old Mandrake comics and the new ones, there is one pattern that stands out. Lothar becomes better in English and his role in the story increases (possibly due to the social changes that happened in the USA during the times like Civil rights) but the clothing on Narda and Karma decreases (possibly again due to the same social changes which included feminism). Just a thought:-))
#PBC: Just a queary:does #417(lost island;buz) available On-line??
#VenKit: I beg to differ!!I think while old MTM strips are very good,but earliest scripts(specially Sundays) were too much Imaginative/sci-fi sort(while later was more realistic!) AND the art of FREDRICKS are always far better than the DAVIS,allthough Davis was very good!!If fans have realised closely IT'S ONLY AFTER FREDRICKS took the charge(in 1965) scripts became more taut,MANY NEW THINGS/CHARACTERS were introduced,,like XANADU/HOJO/INTER-INTEL with dreaded gang - "The League of 8"(wehich made MANDRAKE such famous) AND of course COBRA returened in 1965 after 1937,,and needless to mention those exciting CENTRAL GALACTIC adventure etc!!THERE ARE SO MANY:-))
ALL these indicated,wid Fred's exciting skill,FALK got new enthusiasm to create a NEW patter of his Magician and AFTER THAT what we saw was history!! Till 1990,i.e. till very end of INDRAJAL(V27 N7 was last MTM),Mandrake stories were very attractive,,it's only from '91 onwards script became ordinary!!
PS - About Lothar's english/role,yes ,very much agreed that HE bame a close buddy of Mandrake from his servent-cum-body guard!! and Karma/NARDA's clothing,,what I can say,,ONLY that, "NARDA" becomes Beautiful and hottie only under Fred's pencil! ;-)
Prabhat,Chaman Charlie was not a full fledged comic series,rather it was filler such as 'Gunakar','Chhote Raja' type 1 or 2 page comic article which was use to appear at the end of comics.I am not able to remember the name of that particular comic at the moment,but i think i have those comics at my home,will have to search. Chaman Charlie was a Indianised adaptation of great comedian "Charlie Chaplin",in which the day to day funny incidents of a character named 'Chaman Charlie' were depicted by Shehab.
No further discussion on Mandrake etc?? It's really frustrating and boring as even potential fans(having good personal collection)don't bother to discuss on their heroes,,,they may be jsut like to "collect" things!!
Many of us,Indian fans,should look(& learn!) waht going in famous PHANTOM PHORUM,where no body ask for LINKS but they discuss stories regularly...I have had my share of discussion there too!!
SagNik: In India there are few collectors of comics in compare to western countries, but fans a lot. Now e-comics are giving opportunity to collect (recollect). This good thing will come also with time.
You have collection, can read & talk about it, but many other friends at resent not. Many fans will come back on discussions, let me post first. Then it'll more relevant.
By the way, why you are not posting? Pls start; there are a lot of Mandrake fans demanding about strips everyday. I’m trying to send them for Mandrake strips to You & Bala ji. They’ll soon come back and again start forcing me, pls post. Take care about strips. I’m waiting. :)
I also wish people discussed about it. Give sometimes to download & read. :)
You have collection, can read & talk about it, but many other friends at resent not.
CHECK the TOTAL numbers of IJC/DC COMICS Posted,CHECK TOTAL Numbers of DOWNLOADS per Comics,,,CHECK ALL these stats,then you will understnd LOTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSS OF "FANS" ARE Contented with thewse gems,,still they reluctant to discuss,,they even NEVER say a "thanks",so DISCUSSION is like out-of-expectation!!!
I think they are more like collector who like to collect WHATEVER FREE STUFFS they get,,they can spend hours on downloading/asking 1000 times for 1 comics,but when get it,never returned to discuss it!!!
It's a great thing you sharing stuffs,but otherwise these fans got much more than they deserved - WITHOUT ANY COSTING!! At least,we major collectors spend our BUCKS/HOURS on collecting PHYSICAL Gems!!
AND about posting,MTM strips,you know the reason,,,but you can post anyway!!
....there are a lot of Mandrake fans demanding about strips everyday.
YES!!They know HOW TO DEMAND FREE STUFFS!!At least they do "it" very "professionally",,,LIKE THOSE sticky Sellsmen,,unless you buy ONE stuff,they will nag,,,and these "fans" will do same,UNLESS YOU POST ONE! :-)
Sagnik: From one point of view you are true. But blogging is thankless job. We all got many gems free in e-form, so we can add some from our side too. We also downloading many things, but not always say thanks. There are online comics which physical copies today costs over million dollars. Someone also buy it & shared with us. It’s not like that we don’t wish to say thanks or discuss, there are many other reasons too.
I know the reasons & you know my point of view earlier than I made it public. I really believe you and/or Bala ji should continue. If not you someone other will do it, no place remains vacant. It’s law of nature. Many stopped, does it changed the world? Many new came & will come. This show will go on. Many gave efforts to start, but now none can stop this heavy machine.
I'll like to go as planned. I neither change my plans at a sudden nor go against wish of contributors or who in real helps me. I say in real help me, not talking about those who try to use me (so called friends). And if I’d like to post then I’d ask all friends first, who send me files for private use only. Only after a mutual friendly agreement I’ll go further. I’ve a lot of other materials in my hand to post which are already public property, but many not find. There are many selfless contributors, if none will come forward missing part I’ll buy & share as sharing others contributions. Once I was almost alone, I was going to buy all ACK 4-5 times higher price than buying in India. In return I’m not expecting anything from any visitors of my blogs, even thanks. You see I don’t care about comments, post as I planned. If someone find its worth to say thanks, good, if not then also good.
Nekki kar Dariya main dal.
You know who I'm & from where I belong. My attitude is very friendly for friends. Always try to eliminate minor issue to make atmosphere light. I smell many things from far. Always try to stop a fire in earlier stage before it'll become a Jungle fire. I can stop Jungle fire too, but it'll be last measures. Hope many understood, and stopped themselves. :)
Cheers Buddy. We are sharing happiness. Life is very short. Take it easy. :)
From one point of view you are true. But blogging is thankless job.
I don't ask them to say "thanks",instead of HOW THEY FELT ABOUT THE STORY/ART ETC???Is it too much of ask??? I GUESS YOU NOW UNDERSTND WHAT I MEANT!!YES,Blogging is/was self-joy of us,but if you read,with Scans,deep discussions are pretty exciting too(READ MANY A "OLD" Comic-Blog comments and you'll understnd what I meant!!)
There are many selfless contributors, TAHT'S TOTALLY AGREED!!AND THAT'S WHY I FELT SO BAD..why not these "visitors" come forward and say something what they just read??it always booast Contributor's moral!!BUT NO!!THey will read/collect,forget AND ASK FOR ANOTHER ONE!!
Always try to stop a fire in earlier stage before it'll become a Jungle fire.
PLEASE DON'T BE SOO PRO-ACTIVE/CAUTIOUS!! Nothing like that going to happen as OUR VISIOTRS have not much to say on it EXCEPT AGREEING ON IT!!
I can stop Jungle fire too, but it'll be last measures. Hope many understood, and stopped themselves. :) SAME AS ABOVE!! ;))))))
You have collection, can read & talk about it, but many other friends at resent not.
CHECK the TOTAL numbers of IJC/DC COMICS Posted,CHECK TOTAL Numbers of DOWNLOADS per Comics,,,CHECK ALL these stats,then you will understnd LOTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSS OF "FANS" ARE Contented with thewse gems,,still they reluctant to discuss,,they even NEVER say a "thanks",so DISCUSSION is like out-of-expectation!!!
I think they are more like collector who like to collect WHATEVER FREE STUFFS they get,,they can spend hours on downloading/asking 1000 times for 1 comics,but when get it,never returned to discuss it!!!
It's a great thing you sharing stuffs,but otherwise these fans got much more than they deserved - WITHOUT ANY COSTING!! At least,we major collectors spend our BUCKS/HOURS on collecting PHYSICAL Gems!!
AND about posting,MTM strips,you know the reason,,,but you can post anyway!!
#PBC: Just a queary:does #417(lost island;buz) available On-line??
#VenKit: I beg to differ!!I think while old MTM strips are very good,but earliest scripts(specially Sundays) were too much Imaginative/sci-fi sort(while later was more realistic!) AND the art of FREDRICKS are always far better than the DAVIS,allthough Davis was very good!!If fans have realised closely IT'S ONLY AFTER FREDRICKS took the charge(in 1965) scripts became more taut,MANY NEW THINGS/CHARACTERS were introduced,,like XANADU/HOJO/INTER-INTEL with dreaded gang - "The League of 8"(wehich made MANDRAKE such famous) AND of course COBRA returened in 1965 after 1937,,and needless to mention those exciting CENTRAL GALACTIC adventure etc!!THERE ARE SO MANY:-))
ALL these indicated,wid Fred's exciting skill,FALK got new enthusiasm to create a NEW patter of his Magician and AFTER THAT what we saw was history!! Till 1990,i.e. till very end of INDRAJAL(V27 N7 was last MTM),Mandrake stories were very attractive,,it's only from '91 onwards script became ordinary!!
PS - About Lothar's english/role,yes ,very much agreed that HE bame a close buddy of Mandrake from his servent-cum-body guard!! and Karma/NARDA's clothing,,what I can say,,ONLY that, "NARDA" becomes Beautiful and hottie only under Fred's pencil! ;-)
This is Venkit. I do not know if you observed that in 443 as also this one, the cover illustrations were by a different person. It is not the regular Govind (who also used to do the complete art work for Bahadur stories.). It is by Shehab. Though I was a great fan of Govind's artwork, Shehab brought about a touch of comedy in his artwork, I thought.
ReplyDeleteThe later mandrake stories carry very little plot - only shoot,kill etc. Consider the giant toothache for example- what a plot- moral- and good end .
ReplyDeleteVenkit,basically Shehab was the comic-caricature artist,his famous creations were Chhotu-Lambu (Parag,Diamond Comics,Manglu Madarai-Bandar Bihari (Madhumuskan),Chaman Charlie.etc.Hence a comic look was bound to be inflected in his cover designs,even many times his cover Phantom imparted a funny comic look.
ReplyDeleteVenkit: Welcome! Most probably first Indrajal cover by Shehab was #353. Honestly saying, in childhood I noted only that some covers were different. Noted that there were some signatures on pages especially Shehab’s as his name was repeated in many comics. In that period I was in such a love with Phantom; like Arjun saw only Phantom & Indrajal comics (comics’ stories only) rest information was secondary things for me. Still I go through all Phantom new strips which many Phantom fans don’t like.
ReplyDeleteCovers of Indrajal comics played very important role in its popularity. Now I see & feel differences clearly.
Krishna ji: Welcome! Really you are true. I never thought before this point of view. Earlier Mandrake stories were more attracting for me, only today I got it, why. Thanks :)
ReplyDeleteComic World: Thanks for information. I remember Chhotu-Lambu & Manglu Madarai-Bandar Bihari. But not remember about Chaman Charlie. Can you post Chaman Charlie comics?
ReplyDeleteVenkit here again:
ReplyDeleteKrishna - you are right. If you look at the old Mandrake comics and the new ones, there is one pattern that stands out. Lothar becomes better in English and his role in the story increases (possibly due to the social changes that happened in the USA during the times like Civil rights) but the clothing on Narda and Karma decreases (possibly again due to the same social changes which included feminism). Just a thought:-))
#PBC: Just a queary:does #417(lost island;buz) available On-line??
ReplyDelete#VenKit: I beg to differ!!I think while old MTM strips are very good,but earliest scripts(specially Sundays) were too much Imaginative/sci-fi sort(while later was more realistic!) AND the art of FREDRICKS are always far better than the DAVIS,allthough Davis was very good!!If fans have realised closely IT'S ONLY AFTER FREDRICKS took the charge(in 1965) scripts became more taut,MANY NEW THINGS/CHARACTERS were introduced,,like XANADU/HOJO/INTER-INTEL with dreaded gang - "The League of 8"(wehich made MANDRAKE such famous) AND of course COBRA returened in 1965 after 1937,,and needless to mention those exciting CENTRAL GALACTIC adventure etc!!THERE ARE SO MANY:-))
ALL these indicated,wid Fred's exciting skill,FALK got new enthusiasm to create a NEW patter of his Magician and AFTER THAT what we saw was history!! Till 1990,i.e. till very end of INDRAJAL(V27 N7 was last MTM),Mandrake stories were very attractive,,it's only from '91 onwards script became ordinary!!
PS - About Lothar's english/role,yes ,very much agreed that HE bame a close buddy of Mandrake from his servent-cum-body guard!! and Karma/NARDA's clothing,,what I can say,,ONLY that, "NARDA" becomes Beautiful and hottie only under Fred's pencil! ;-)
Prabhat,Chaman Charlie was not a full fledged comic series,rather it was filler such as 'Gunakar','Chhote Raja' type 1 or 2 page comic article which was use to appear at the end of comics.I am not able to remember the name of that particular comic at the moment,but i think i have those comics at my home,will have to search.
ReplyDeleteChaman Charlie was a Indianised adaptation of great comedian "Charlie Chaplin",in which the day to day funny incidents of a character named 'Chaman Charlie' were depicted by Shehab.
Venkit: There is a little truth behind every joke. :)
ReplyDeleteSagnik: #417 is available online. Don't remember where it was posted, but here is original link:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mediafire.com/?1b2cnjw9s15
CW: Thanks for information. Whenever it'll possible try to post that comics or atleast those pages (Chaman Charlie).
ReplyDeleteNo further discussion on Mandrake etc?? It's really frustrating and boring as even potential fans(having good personal collection)don't bother to discuss on their heroes,,,they may be jsut like to "collect" things!!
ReplyDeleteMany of us,Indian fans,should look(& learn!) waht going in famous PHANTOM PHORUM,where no body ask for LINKS but they discuss stories regularly...I have had my share of discussion there too!!
SagNik: In India there are few collectors of comics in compare to western countries, but fans a lot. Now e-comics are giving opportunity to collect (recollect). This good thing will come also with time.
ReplyDeleteYou have collection, can read & talk about it, but many other friends at resent not. Many fans will come back on discussions, let me post first. Then it'll more relevant.
By the way, why you are not posting? Pls start; there are a lot of Mandrake fans demanding about strips everyday. I’m trying to send them for Mandrake strips to You & Bala ji. They’ll soon come back and again start forcing me, pls post. Take care about strips. I’m waiting. :)
I also wish people discussed about it. Give sometimes to download & read. :)
You have collection, can read & talk about it, but many other friends at resent not.
ReplyDeleteCHECK the TOTAL numbers of IJC/DC COMICS Posted,CHECK TOTAL Numbers of DOWNLOADS per Comics,,,CHECK ALL these stats,then you will understnd LOTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSS OF "FANS" ARE Contented with thewse gems,,still they reluctant to discuss,,they even NEVER say a "thanks",so DISCUSSION is like out-of-expectation!!!
I think they are more like collector who like to collect WHATEVER FREE STUFFS they get,,they can spend hours on downloading/asking 1000 times for 1 comics,but when get it,never returned to discuss it!!!
It's a great thing you sharing stuffs,but otherwise these fans got much more than they deserved - WITHOUT ANY COSTING!! At least,we major collectors spend our BUCKS/HOURS on collecting PHYSICAL Gems!!
AND about posting,MTM strips,you know the reason,,,but you can post anyway!!
....there are a lot of Mandrake fans demanding about strips everyday.
ReplyDeleteYES!!They know HOW TO DEMAND FREE STUFFS!!At least they do "it" very "professionally",,,LIKE THOSE sticky Sellsmen,,unless you buy ONE stuff,they will nag,,,and these "fans" will do same,UNLESS YOU POST ONE! :-)
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Sagnik: From one point of view you are true. But blogging is thankless job. We all got many gems free in e-form, so we can add some from our side too. We also downloading many things, but not always say thanks. There are online comics which physical copies today costs over million dollars. Someone also buy it & shared with us. It’s not like that we don’t wish to say thanks or discuss, there are many other reasons too.
ReplyDeleteI know the reasons & you know my point of view earlier than I made it public. I really believe you and/or Bala ji should continue. If not you someone other will do it, no place remains vacant. It’s law of nature. Many stopped, does it changed the world? Many new came & will come. This show will go on. Many gave efforts to start, but now none can stop this heavy machine.
I'll like to go as planned. I neither change my plans at a sudden nor go against wish of contributors or who in real helps me. I say in real help me, not talking about those who try to use me (so called friends). And if I’d like to post then I’d ask all friends first, who send me files for private use only. Only after a mutual friendly agreement I’ll go further. I’ve a lot of other materials in my hand to post which are already public property, but many not find. There are many selfless contributors, if none will come forward missing part I’ll buy & share as sharing others contributions. Once I was almost alone, I was going to buy all ACK 4-5 times higher price than buying in India. In return I’m not expecting anything from any visitors of my blogs, even thanks. You see I don’t care about comments, post as I planned. If someone find its worth to say thanks, good, if not then also good.
Nekki kar Dariya main dal.
You know who I'm & from where I belong. My attitude is very friendly for friends. Always try to eliminate minor issue to make atmosphere light. I smell many things from far. Always try to stop a fire in earlier stage before it'll become a Jungle fire. I can stop Jungle fire too, but it'll be last measures. Hope many understood, and stopped themselves. :)
Cheers Buddy. We are sharing happiness. Life is very short. Take it easy. :)
From one point of view you are true. But blogging is thankless job.
ReplyDeleteI don't ask them to say "thanks",instead of HOW THEY FELT ABOUT THE STORY/ART ETC???Is it too much of ask??? I GUESS YOU NOW UNDERSTND WHAT I MEANT!!YES,Blogging is/was self-joy of us,but if you read,with Scans,deep discussions are pretty exciting too(READ MANY A "OLD" Comic-Blog comments and you'll understnd what I meant!!)
There are many selfless contributors,
TAHT'S TOTALLY AGREED!!AND THAT'S WHY I FELT SO BAD..why not these "visitors" come forward and say something what they just read??it always booast Contributor's moral!!BUT NO!!THey will read/collect,forget AND ASK FOR ANOTHER ONE!!
Always try to stop a fire in earlier stage before it'll become a Jungle fire.
PLEASE DON'T BE SOO PRO-ACTIVE/CAUTIOUS!! Nothing like that going to happen as OUR VISIOTRS have not much to say on it EXCEPT AGREEING ON IT!!
I can stop Jungle fire too, but it'll be last measures. Hope many understood, and stopped themselves. :)
SAME AS ABOVE!! ;))))))
You have collection, can read & talk about it, but many other friends at resent not.
ReplyDeleteCHECK the TOTAL numbers of IJC/DC COMICS Posted,CHECK TOTAL Numbers of DOWNLOADS per Comics,,,CHECK ALL these stats,then you will understnd LOTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSS OF "FANS" ARE Contented with thewse gems,,still they reluctant to discuss,,they even NEVER say a "thanks",so DISCUSSION is like out-of-expectation!!!
I think they are more like collector who like to collect WHATEVER FREE STUFFS they get,,they can spend hours on downloading/asking 1000 times for 1 comics,but when get it,never returned to discuss it!!!
It's a great thing you sharing stuffs,but otherwise these fans got much more than they deserved - WITHOUT ANY COSTING!! At least,we major collectors spend our BUCKS/HOURS on collecting PHYSICAL Gems!!
AND about posting,MTM strips,you know the reason,,,but you can post anyway!!
#PBC: Just a queary:does #417(lost island;buz) available On-line??
ReplyDelete#VenKit: I beg to differ!!I think while old MTM strips are very good,but earliest scripts(specially Sundays) were too much Imaginative/sci-fi sort(while later was more realistic!) AND the art of FREDRICKS are always far better than the DAVIS,allthough Davis was very good!!If fans have realised closely IT'S ONLY AFTER FREDRICKS took the charge(in 1965) scripts became more taut,MANY NEW THINGS/CHARACTERS were introduced,,like XANADU/HOJO/INTER-INTEL with dreaded gang - "The League of 8"(wehich made MANDRAKE such famous) AND of course COBRA returened in 1965 after 1937,,and needless to mention those exciting CENTRAL GALACTIC adventure etc!!THERE ARE SO MANY:-))
ALL these indicated,wid Fred's exciting skill,FALK got new enthusiasm to create a NEW patter of his Magician and AFTER THAT what we saw was history!! Till 1990,i.e. till very end of INDRAJAL(V27 N7 was last MTM),Mandrake stories were very attractive,,it's only from '91 onwards script became ordinary!!
PS - About Lothar's english/role,yes ,very much agreed that HE bame a close buddy of Mandrake from his servent-cum-body guard!! and Karma/NARDA's clothing,,what I can say,,ONLY that, "NARDA" becomes Beautiful and hottie only under Fred's pencil! ;-)
Yes there should realize the reader to RSS my feed to RSS commentary, quite simply
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